Phicinfan's 2018 Mock Draft 3 - 2 weeks til draft

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  1. Phicinfan

    Phicinfan Expert on nothing, opinionated on everything Administrator

    As I go through this, I don't expect much to change...but there has been on trade that changes the order, so lets review this.

    1) Cleveland - Still Qb - but I have to say it is Sam Darnold USC - this is key to next step
    2) N.Y. Giants - if Darnold there, they go Qb, but since he is not - they get Eli some help - Saquon Barkley Rb Penn State
    3) N.Y. Jets(trade with Indinapolis)
    - Jets are doing the Happy dance, only one Qb off the board - Josh Rosen Qb UCLA - Hill is just too inaccurate and Rosen is the most pro- ready in draft - they can't miss on this.
    4) Cleveland - going to help Defense now - Bradley Chubb DE NC State
    5) Denver
    - Josh Allen Qb Wyoming - not a main need - but lets face it, Keenum is a place holder at best. I think he tanks and was a one year wonder due to Shurmer and talent in Minn. They need a future Qb and this kid has the arm to be that guy.
    6) Indianapolis(trade from N.Y. Jets) - Trade - To Buffalo - with 3 of the top 5 Qbs off the board - they have to make a move. If not Buffalo then Arizona - but Buffalo wins due to 2 first round picks available this year. Indy is in need of help, moving down gets them two top flight players and probably a 2nd rounder as well. - Baker Mayfield Qb Oklahoma - Buffalo won't need to rush him, as they will use McCarron to start.
    7) Tampa Bay - Denzel Ward CB Ohio State - need def. help and secondary is a key need
    8) Chicago Bears - Quenton Nelson OL Notre Dame - need protection for Trubisky and push for the two Rbs.
    9) San Francisco - Minkah Fitzpatrick DB Alabama - Def. back field a must, he can play safety or corner
    10) Oakland - this is going to be LB. It is a dire need. The question is which Lb that is available is the right fit. I am going Roquan Smith ILB Georgia - as there greater need is inside. Great partner for Mack.
    11) Miami - Well not getting Tannehill's replacement - as Jackson is not worth this high a pick. A trade down is possible, some may really like Tremaine Edmunds - but I think this will be S and will be Derwin James S Florida State
    12) Indianapolis TRADE with Buffalo - okay they need OL and LB so you can't pass up Tremaine Edmunds LB Virginia Tech here.
    13) Washington - Vita Vea DT Washington - they desperately need a run stopper in middle of the line
    14) Green Bay - need here is OT and Cb - yes they drafted Cb first round last year, but the need is still there - going Cb with Jaire Alexander Cb Louisville - paired with King, they have a top flight DB back field for the long haul.
    15) Arizona - Qb is dire need - but I still am not feeling Lamar Jackson yet - a trade down might work, as Arizona needs alot of help. But there isn't a huge talent that is worth moving for....unless someone really wants Jackson. But they are down to Fitzgerald at Wr - so am taking top Wr with Calvin Ridley Wr Alabama here
    16) Baltimore - Need help on offense at WR - even with signing of Crabtree, and TE as well as they are still looking for a key player there - OL and C is an option but that can be gotten later - going D.J. Moore Wr Maryland - local college kid but has been shooting up the boards.
    17) L. A. Chargers - OT is a key need - OT Mike McGlinchey OT Notre Dame
    18) Seattle
    - what don't they need?!?!? Cb is the biggest - Josh Jackson Cb Iowa
    19) Dallas
    - two of the top Lbs are gone but Lb is still a need, as is DL - going with Lb as they have to have some help there due to constant injury - Rashaan Evans ILB Alabama
    - Rb is a need - they have to generate some rush offense - Blount will help, but not here, no here they need a DL help for Ansah - so Marcus Davenport DE UTSA
    21) Cincinnati
    - OL still a need, DL is a bit of a need - but to me the OL is the bigger issue, especially at C - Billy Price C/OG Ohio State - kid has talent and flexibility to play inside at C or G only reason he is dropping is due to injury at combine.
    22) Indianapolis TRADE with Buffalo - time to get some much needed help for Luck or Brissett - Derrius Guice Rb LSU - they need to take pressure off of Qb and passing game.
    23) New England(from L.A. Rams) - help in secondary is needed as the Super Bowl showed - Mike Hughes Cb UCF
    24) Carolina
    - traded away a Cb to Philly for Wr help, so the need is there - Isaiah Oliver Cb Colorado
    25) Tennessee
    - Edge rusher is key need - Harold Landry OLB Boston College
    26) Atlanta
    - Need to fill the hole left by Dontari Poe leaving - De'Ron Payne DT Alabama nicely fits the bill
    27) New Orleans - NEED to find the next Jimmy Graham - Hayden Hurst Te South Carolina
    28) Pittsburgh
    - wow, really, really would love to see Jackson fall here at Qb, he would have a couple of years to learn from Big Ben but don't see it happening - time to fix the defensive backfield - Ronnie Harmon S Alabama
    29) Jacksonville
    - Hmmm...... upset special - they put two more years on Bortles, and they have filled most of the offensive needs ......yep lets do it - Lamar Jackson Qb Louisville - this pick will really stymie Arizona who was hoping to move up early in 2nd round to nab him.
    30) Minnesota - got Qb fixed, have stud Rb coming back but could use some depth, wr is solid OL is dire need especially the interior - but this kid may flex to tackle as well - Connor Williams G/OT Texas
    31) New England
    - got the Cb they needed - now OL fix - Colton Miller OT UCLA
    32) Philadelphia
    - this is a bit of a selfish pick - but it is a huge need as well as Hick simply can't stay healthy - Lb Leighton Vander Esch Boise State
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  2. KillerFins

    KillerFins Staff Member

    Why do you think the Fins go Safety? They already have two they like in Jones & McDonald. Edmunds would be my pick here.
  3. Phicinfan

    Phicinfan Expert on nothing, opinionated on everything Administrator

    three or four website sources. Most of them having looks at DBs, S or Cb. So took top talent available.
  4. KillerFins

    KillerFins Staff Member

    Ah, ok. Still don't see it, they are also good at CB IMO, hope they look at LB or maybe DT.
  5. efactor

    efactor Coming at you

    Fitzpatrick can't play outside corner in the NFL and SF is solid at safety with Tartt and Colbert. Smith or Edmunds unless Nelson falls.

    Would love to see a trade down if they can find a trade buddy
  6. cctekguy

    cctekguy Staff Member

    I think that the first pick in the draft will be Barkley.

    If not Cleveland than via trade.
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  7. ExperiencedRookie

    ExperiencedRookie Well-Known Member

    No way.

    Nobody is going to blow their brains out to move up to #1 for a RB. Cleveland isn't taking him at #1 either.
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  8. Phicinfan

    Phicinfan Expert on nothing, opinionated on everything Administrator

    First I agree Barkley won't be #1. Cleveland won't trade out, won't get the value to trade out, and they HAVE to nail the Qb they want.

    But, I guarantee you, Barkley will not go below #5, either by who is there, or by trade.

    IF I was Cleveland - I would do the following - Go Qb with first pick, then at #4 go Chubb at DE, or trade down for additional picks to fix the defense. This is assuming Barkley is not there at #4.

    IF he is, I don't care what you did with Hyde, you don't pass up a tool that will make your rookie and current Qb that much better. You take Barkley at #4.
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  9. cctekguy

    cctekguy Staff Member

    Part of my reasoning for Barkley going first overall is Cleveland's QB drafting success since 2010.

    Colt McCoy, 3rd, 2010
    Brandon Weedon, 1st, 2012
    Johnny Manziel, 1st, 2014
    Cody Kessler, 3rd, 2016
    DeShone Kiser, 2nd, 2017

    That's a ton of top picks with NOTHING to show for it.

    I just figure Cleveland is sick of getting zero return from their top draft picks and is leaning a different direction this year.

    I also think that the Rookie QB buzz is inspired by NFL needs more than actual talent at the position. This is evidenced by the lack of consistency in ranking the top 5 QBs. It's just a nice group of "good" college QBs. Barkley, on the other hand, is in a tier all by himself.

    Denver, Indianapolis and Tampa Bay (5th, 6th, and 7th) all have a glaring need at RB. I don't see a trade down as completely out of the question. If they traded 1:1 to Indy (for example) Indy would take Barkley, Giants would not take a QB, Jets would take a QB and that leaves Cleveland with the pick @ 4 with only one top QB prospect off the board.

    The trade scenario would be dependent on value but if Cleveland could get Tampa's #7, 2019 1 and 2020 2 they could STILL have one of the top 3 QBs and have a plan for the future.
  10. hikeNbike

    hikeNbike Well-Known Member

    Hoping for Calvin Ridley or Mike Mglinchey for the Cowboys 1st round pick, then defense, defense, and more defense.

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  11. German CTL

    German CTL Circle City Outlaw

    Assuming Cle is sold on a particular QB, they go QB 1st and hope Barkley falls to them at 4.

    But if they happen to view Allen, Darnold, Rosen or even Mayfield as relatively equal... Then why not grab Barkley at 1 and at that point they'd have their pick of at least two of the four QB's mentioned above at 4?

    Gonna be interesting that's for sure
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  12. ExperiencedRookie

    ExperiencedRookie Well-Known Member

    I don't know how much of this stigma sticks to a franchise, but the last time Cleveland pumped an early pick into a "can't miss" RB, they ended up with Trent Richardson. That wasn't all that long ago.

    I know there's that fear of passing up a generational talent, but they flat out don't need a RB. In fact...HOT TAKE ALERT: but I think Cleveland doesn't necessarily need a QB either. Tyrod can flat out play. I'll never understand why the public's take on him is that he's just a bridge player. When you have Gordon, Landry, Coleman, a pair of young TEs with upside, and 2 proven players at RB, your offense is ready to roll. Just go spend those top 2 picks on defense. Or trade back and get some solid value and still land one of the best defensive players.
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  13. mudloggerone

    mudloggerone Outlaw Administrator

    What's wild is the rumor started two days ago that they are considering taking a QB with the 1st & 4th. I certainly don't expect that to happen but they won't go RB with the 1st pick.
  14. Walter34

    Walter34 Well-Known Member

    Cleveland has missed on draft picks at almost every position so zeroing in on QB failures is just part of it. As mentioned above - Trent Richardson. Joe Thomas also retired so the oline also needs help.

    QB at 1 and either Chubbs or nelson at 4 would give them the best value imo. Tyrod is ok but middle of the road QB is his ceiling. A review of SB winners and consistent contenders over the past 10-30 years is all about top 10 or even top 5 QBs. They could plug some holes with good quality players but any team that does not have that top 10 qb anchor will not have consistent success.

    That said, I don't see any of the QBs this year as "the man". Really hard to say what they will do but the team and the city need to take a shot at becoming a contender, not just hoping to get to 7-9.

    I love Barkley but as others have said Hyde and Duke are decent enough. RBs also have a relatively short career of 4-6 years for their prime. QBs can be a 15+ year cornerstone.

    To me Denver makes the most sense for barkley unless a later team trades up.

    Cleveland - Darnold
    Giants - <Trade> - new team selects Rosen
    Jets - QB Mayfield
    Cleveland - Chubbs
    Broncos - Barkley (defer QB for now and take one more shot while their stars are still on the team)
    Colts - could go many directions including trade
    Bucs - James or Fitzpatrick
    Bears - Nelson
    Niners - Roquan
  15. Phicinfan

    Phicinfan Expert on nothing, opinionated on everything Administrator

    I am guessing that is to put pressure on teams who want the #4 or #5 Qbs to trade up.
  16. Phicinfan

    Phicinfan Expert on nothing, opinionated on everything Administrator

    Cleveland HAS to get their QB, I agree if they see 2-3 the same then they could trade down, but I don't see anyone wanting to trade up.

    Yes, they have Hyde and Duke Johnson at Rb - but Johnson is not an every down back, and Hyde can't make it through a season healthy.

    Cleveland's biggest concern has got to be the Giants. They are the wild card here. If they go Barkley, then Giants could trade down, or take the top Qb.

    If Cleveland locks on their Qb, then Giants could take Barkley - who they desperately need by the by, or trade down again...

    One report from multiple sources say Giants only like Darnold, so if there will they take him?

    Jets go Qb
    then back to Cleveland.

    At #4 I could see Cleveland tickled to get either Chubb or Barkley. But as brought up above, I could see them drop down to say #7, let tampa take Barkley or whoever, and then go OT at #7. fits a major need for Cleveland.
  17. Phicinfan

    Phicinfan Expert on nothing, opinionated on everything Administrator

    What shocks me is NO news from Arizona. None. NO team is more desperate for a starting Qb than they are. Bradford will help some, but can't be counted on.

    I also don't think they have the trade capital to move up to get to 1-5 to get one of the top Qbs.

    They have to be hoping Rosen keeps sliding as I have seen, and maybe try to trade up to 6 or 7 then.
  18. hikeNbike

    hikeNbike Well-Known Member

    I'd like to see Cowboys get an all pro wr, all pro guard, all pro linebacker, solid nose tackle, and some above average corners out of this draft. I don't ask for much.

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