Pac-10 expansion

Kingdome

FOOTBALL!
The Pac-10 is talking expansion. They are only going to expand if they can expand big, so sorry BYU, Boise State, etc. fans. Here's a hypothetical:


Washington (WSU)
Oregon (OSU)
California (STAN)
UCLA (USC)
Arizona (ASU)
Colorado (UTAH)
Texas (A&M)


Washington State (UW)
Oregon State (UO)
Stanford (CAL)
USC (UCLA)
Arizona State (UA)
Utah (CU)
Texas A&M (TX)

Each team plays everyone in their division (+6), their designated rival in the other division (+1), and 2 cross over games with the other division (+2). The 2 cross over games will be home & away series which will rotate every other year so each team will play each of the remaining 6 cross over teams twice every six years.
 

Kingdome

FOOTBALL!
Texas: Big 12, Big Ten, or Pac-10?

Population base, major markets

Existing Big 12 - 49,926,956

D/FW - 6.3 mil
HOU - 5.7 mil
STL - 2.8 mil
DEN - 2.5 mil
SA - 2.0 mil
KC - 2.0 mil
AUS - 1.6 mil
OKC - 1.2 mil
TUL - 0.9 mil
OMA - 0.8 mil

Other 1 mil+ markets - 0

Super Big 10 - 92,161,807

CHI - 9.9 mil
D/FW - 6.3 mil
PHI - 5.8 mil
HOU - 5.7 mil
DET - 4.4 mil
M/SP - 3.2 mil
CLE - 2.8 mil
PIT - 2.3 mil
CIN - 2.2 mil
SA - 2.0 mil

Other 1 mil + markets - 4


Super Pac-10 - 91,153,357

LA - 17.8 mil
D/FW - 6.3 mil
SF/SJ - 6.1 mil
HOU - 5.7 mil
PHX - 4.3 mil
SEA - 3.6 mil
SD - 3.0 mil
POR - 2.6 mil
DEN - 2.5 mil
SLC - 2.2 mil

Other 1 mil + markets - 6


Academics

Existing Big 12 - 55.8 pts per schools
Super Big Ten - 254.1 pts per school
Super Pac-10 - 185.7 pts per school

Weather

Existing Big 12 - ranges warm to cold
Super Big Ten - except for Texas, COLD!
Super Pac-10 - Cold in Pullman, Boulder, SLC, mild to warm everywhere else


Transportation (from Austin, TX)

Avg. distance:

Current Big 12 - 593 miles
Super Big Ten - 1216 miles
Super Pac-10 - 1561 miles

Direct commercial flights within 60 minutes or two hour or less bus trips:

Current Big 12 - 4 of 11
Super Big Ten - 3 of 11
Super Pac-10 - 9 of 13
 

Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
Heard Pac-10 was interested in Texas as well.....with the only motivation for them to do so being money, I would think if they did leave the Big 12, it would be for the Big 10, not the Pac-10. Just simply comes down to $$ and the big 10's TV revenues are higher than either of the other two's.

I have a hard time seeing them move in the end though, but if they do, it will alter the CFB landscape as wel know it now.
 

Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
Great Info Kingdome!!

Do you have the current TV revenues for the 3 conferences currently? Herd was talking about them today, they are eye opening for the Big Ten. That is the one number I think it may come down to.
 

Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
Found this from a CBS article today on it:

[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] How we got here: The SEC and Big Ten drove the latest round of potential conference expansions with their most recent media deals. In July, the SEC finalized a 15-year, $3 billion deal with ESPN and CBS. The 2½-year-old Big Ten Network was part of a 25-year, $2.8 million deal in partnership with DirecTV and FOX. There is another 10-year deal with ESPN for $1 billion. [/FONT]
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica] No other conference measures up. [/FONT]
Expansion would boost Pac-10 but leave wake of disruption - NCAA Football - CBSSports.com

When it come to revenues from TV, looks like the SEC and Big 10 have the $$ advantage. This will be a big plus in the Big 10's search for a new team.
[FONT=Arial, Helvetica]The most lucrative deal in college sports history puts the SEC in a dominant position, both financially and athletically. As the TV contracts now stand, annual SEC football doormat Vanderbilt makes $7 million more a year than Big 12 power Texas ($7 million-$10 million). [/FONT]

Looks like expansion by either could ultimately be doom for the Big 12.
 

Sgt John

Sith Lord of T&A
Ok..in laymen's terms explain to me why we would go to the Pac-10?? Having to fly to every away game would blow. As it is now we are within driving distance of A&M, Baylor and Oklahoma.

Texas in the Big 10? Kind of the same thing. Where would this make us money? I have no doubt we could compete exceptionally well in both conferences football wise, so to me, is the money really worth it to us?

Edit: Yes, I see all the money figures up there, but we already make a ton of money and get almost whomever we want. So break this down to basics for me.

Im also 100% for anything that takes the fight to the SEC.
 

Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
It just simply comes down to dollars. Despite Texas getting a good cut from the Big 12 TV revenues, the even spit would net them SIGNIFICANTLY more money. That's the only reason right there, and in this day and age it seems like the only reason that matters far too often.

However, as i stated previously, I don't see them going anywhere to be honest. But if your looking for a reason.....follow the dollar signs. Another less significant reason may be the size and prestige of the Big 10 schools it would now be linked to. BIG Schools, BIG enrollments.....Texas fits in very well. However, IMO, there is more that works against this than works for it......BUT....doesn't decisions like these always go back to the $$$....

The Pac-10 IMO makes much less sense. But if they would nab Texas, you'd have to think TV revenues could be expanded....but the travel it more difficult then even the Big 10 and the $$ reason would not be near as strong.
 

Kingdome

FOOTBALL!
Travel to the Pac-10 is easier. See above. There are direct flights from Austin to most Pac-10 cities (SeaTac, Oakland, San Jose, LAX, Phx, SLC, Den). Since the commercial flights already exist, the smaller sports programs will have affordable travel costs as they can easily fly commercial. Only Tucson, Eugene/Corvallis (same airport), & Pullman are not a direct flight away from Austin. Texas A&M using IAH reach all but Pullman, if they don't mind a 100 minute bus ride from PDX to Eugene.

The easy & direct flights make it easy for teams and fans. In the Pac-10 expansion scenario above, 3 schools are closer to Texas than any Big Ten school. Other than College Station & Tucson, it is at least a 1000 mile drive, so most fans have to fly. How easy is it to fly to Champaign? State College? Lansing? Iowa City? What other sights to see when you visit Champaign? At least when you go to the end of the earth to Pullman, you can at least add in a trip to Hells Canyon or the Bitterroot Mountains, or tack on a ski vacation.

Also, the $ could be bigger in the Pac-10. The Pac-10 will be making a deal in the next few years, & if they expanded like I outline above, they could make more $ than the Big Ten. The population bases are the same, but the PAc-10 region is growing much faster. Also it covers a greater geographic area with more major media markets. The Big 11 plus Texas is the Greater Great Lakes region plus UT. The Super Pac-10 is the Pacific Northwest, California, Desert Southwest, Rocky Mountains, Great Basin, & Texas. That's over half of the country.

The Big Ten's advantages IMO are time zones and academics. One of the reasons Texas considered the Pac-10 almost 20 years ago was because of academics. The Big Ten is the best academics conference top to bottom. The Pac-10 is great at the top, but dragged down a bit by Oregon, Oregon State, & WSU. Oregon & Oregon State are at a handicap because the state of Oregon spun off their medical/upper sciences graduate level programs into a separate institution in Portland. The Big 12 academically is pretty weak. In the scenario above, the Pac-10 plucks away the Big 12's top 3 academic institutions.
 

Sgt John

Sith Lord of T&A
The Big 12 academically is pretty weak.

I had no idea how bad it was until I read Millers links. We would be much better off either way.

I want the championships of course, but either conference looks like it could get kids here in Austin even more opportunities for better educations.
 

Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
Travel to the Pac-10 is easier. See above. There are direct flights from Austin to most Pac-10 cities (SeaTac, Oakland, San Jose, LAX, Phx, SLC, Den). Since the commercial flights already exist, the smaller sports programs will have affordable travel costs as they can easily fly commercial. Only Tucson, Eugene/Corvallis (same airport), & Pullman are not a direct flight away from Austin. Texas A&M using IAH reach all but Pullman, if they don't mind a 100 minute bus ride from PDX to Eugene.

The easy & direct flights make it easy for teams and fans. In the Pac-10 expansion scenario above, 3 schools are closer to Texas than any Big Ten school. Other than College Station & Tucson, it is at least a 1000 mile drive, so most fans have to fly. How easy is it to fly to Champaign? State College? Lansing? Iowa City? What other sights to see when you visit Champaign? At least when you go to the end of the earth to Pullman, you can at least add in a trip to Hells Canyon or the Bitterroot Mountains, or tack on a ski vacation.

Also, the $ could be bigger in the Pac-10. The Pac-10 will be making a deal in the next few years, & if they expanded like I outline above, they could make more $ than the Big Ten. The population bases are the same, but the PAc-10 region is growing much faster. Also it covers a greater geographic area with more major media markets. The Big 11 plus Texas is the Greater Great Lakes region plus UT. The Super Pac-10 is the Pacific Northwest, California, Desert Southwest, Rocky Mountains, Great Basin, & Texas. That's over half of the country.

The Big Ten's advantages IMO are time zones and academics. One of the reasons Texas considered the Pac-10 almost 20 years ago was because of academics. The Big Ten is the best academics conference top to bottom. The Pac-10 is great at the top, but dragged down a bit by Oregon, Oregon State, & WSU. Oregon & Oregon State are at a handicap because the state of Oregon spun off their medical/upper sciences graduate level programs into a separate institution in Portland. The Big 12 academically is pretty weak. In the scenario above, the Pac-10 plucks away the Big 12's top 3 academic institutions.
Your not going to match the $$ of the Big 10....not close. If they could, why are they not anywhere close by now? Another negative from a TV revenue standpoint is too many Pac-10 games are still played at night and not seen by the East Coast. The Big 10 is more viable from a monetary standpoint nationally. You argue the direct flights, but the time zone differences more than outweigh the direct flights for travel IMO.

If this comes down to a choice for Texas between the Big 10 and the Pac 10, they will choose the Big 10. No doubt in my mind, and it ALL comes down to the Money.......
 

Kingdome

FOOTBALL!
Again, the Pac-10 will be reaping in their $ soon enough. The Big Ten is ahead of the Pac-10 right now when it comes to TV revenues. Now that new leadership is in place, expect the Pac-10 to come close to the Big Ten's revenues when they sign a new TV deal. Watch us top that Big Ten figure if we add the right teams in expansion.

From recruiting, to travel costs, to other sports, the Pac-10 is the better fit. Being the oddball, lone duck in the frigid Greater Great Lakes region conference won't help Texas much. The Pac-10 is a conference that can help them attract recruits, has plenty of good weather for the outdoor sports Texas excels at, and brings top level competition in all sports. This move is way more than football.

Natl. titles last 25 years:

Football: Pac-10 3, Big Ten 3
Basketball: Big Ten 3, Pac-10 2
W. Basketball: Pac-10 2, Big Ten 1
Baseball: Pac-10 6, Big Ten 0
Softball: Pac-10 20, Big Ten 1
W. Volleyball: Pac-10 11, Big Ten 4
M. Volleyball: Pac-10 11, Big Ten 2
M. Golf: Pac-10 8, Big Ten 1
W. Golf: Pac-10 13, Big Ten 0
M. Cross Country: Pac-10 6, Big Ten 3
W. Cross Country: Pac-10 7, Big Ten 1
M. Gymnastics: Pac-10 8, Big Ten 8
W. Gymnastics: Pac-10 5, Big Ten 0
Fencing: Big Ten 13, Pac-10 0
M. Rowing: Pac-10 8, Big Ten 1
W. Rowing: PAc-10 6, Big Ten 0
M. Soccer: Big 10 6, Pac-10 4
W. Soccer: Pac-10 1, Big Ten 0
M. Swimming: Pac-10 8, Big Ten 1
W. Swimming: Pac-10 10, Big Ten 0
M. Indoor Track: Pac-10 2, Big Ten 1
W. Indoor Track: Pac-10 4, Big Ten 0
M. Outdoor Track: Pac-10 3, Big Ten 0
W. Outdoor Track: Pac-10 4, Big Ten 0
M. Water Polo: Pac-10 23, Big Ten 0
W. Water Polo: Pac-10 9, Big Ten 0
Wrestling: Big Ten 16, Pac-10 1
W. Lacrosse: Big Ten 7, Pac-10 0
Curling: Pac-10 1, Big Ten 1
 

maverick824

Well-Known Member
Again, the Pac-10 will be reaping in their $ soon enough. The Big Ten is ahead of the Pac-10 right now when it comes to TV revenues. Now that new leadership is in place, expect the Pac-10 to come close to the Big Ten's revenues when they sign a new TV deal. Watch us top that Big Ten figure if we add the right teams in expansion.

From recruiting, to travel costs, to other sports, the Pac-10 is the better fit. Being the oddball, lone duck in the frigid Greater Great Lakes region conference won't help Texas much. The Pac-10 is a conference that can help them attract recruits, has plenty of good weather for the outdoor sports Texas excels at, and brings top level competition in all sports. This move is way more than football.

Natl. titles last 25 years:

Football: Pac-10 3, Big Ten 3
Basketball: Big Ten 3, Pac-10 2
W. Basketball: Pac-10 2, Big Ten 1
Baseball: Pac-10 6, Big Ten 0
Softball: Pac-10 20, Big Ten 1
W. Volleyball: Pac-10 11, Big Ten 4
M. Volleyball: Pac-10 11, Big Ten 2
M. Golf: Pac-10 8, Big Ten 1
W. Golf: Pac-10 13, Big Ten 0
M. Cross Country: Pac-10 6, Big Ten 3
W. Cross Country: Pac-10 7, Big Ten 1
M. Gymnastics: Pac-10 8, Big Ten 8
W. Gymnastics: Pac-10 5, Big Ten 0
Fencing: Big Ten 13, Pac-10 0
M. Rowing: Pac-10 8, Big Ten 1
W. Rowing: PAc-10 6, Big Ten 0
M. Soccer: Big 10 6, Pac-10 4
W. Soccer: Pac-10 1, Big Ten 0
M. Swimming: Pac-10 8, Big Ten 1
W. Swimming: Pac-10 10, Big Ten 0
M. Indoor Track: Pac-10 2, Big Ten 1
W. Indoor Track: Pac-10 4, Big Ten 0
M. Outdoor Track: Pac-10 3, Big Ten 0
W. Outdoor Track: Pac-10 4, Big Ten 0
M. Water Polo: Pac-10 23, Big Ten 0
W. Water Polo: Pac-10 9, Big Ten 0
Wrestling: Big Ten 16, Pac-10 1
W. Lacrosse: Big Ten 7, Pac-10 0
Curling: Pac-10 1, Big Ten 1

most of these sports lines comparing championships are absolutely irrelevant, though.....when a school is considering a conference change, as Miller previously stated, the move is almost always made due to the sport bringing in the most revenue, and in these cases, it is almost always and forever football. I'd imagine there's a possibility that a Sun Belt team's basketball program may on the odd occasional year, bring in more than their annual 2-10 football team, but it's a very rare exception. I would venture a guess that the only schools whose basketball programs outweigh their football programs revenue would be a Duke, or POSSIBLY a Kentucky. Cases where the football programs have never had sustained success and conversely, their basketball programs are elite world beaters. My case and point, the last expansion.

Miami, Virginia Tech, Boston College move to the ACC

At the time of this move, believe me, no one in the ACC cared about the impact on what was, at the time, the absolute BEST basketball conference by adding three middle of the pack teams. It was all about adding mighty Miami and Virginia Tech, and to a slightly lesser extent, BC, to a conference that was known as the "Florida State Athletic Conference" in terms of football. They got their conference championship money, they got a HUGE boost in revenue by adding a couple of top tier teams and the second largest Catholic university in the country.

Lastly, recruiting will NOT be an issue. Why don't quite a few of the premier Southern players want to play for Big Ten schools? Duh, it's cold! Go to one of the South's "Sunshine Universities" and play 4 years for some great coaches, likely for a national title, without having to worry once about the slightest hint of a game under 60 degrees. But hmmm......isn't Texas located in the South??? So, they'd only have to travel to 4 cold weather destinations a year if they chose not to play non-conference games there? Yeah, I doubt a top 5 recruiting school will suffer much, they still have year round sunshine at home.

In the end.....the Pac-10 won't make up in travel cost savings what they lose in the most important arena, and that's what they bring in due to nationally televised games.....if there is a Big Ten overture to Texas, they won't sniff twice at the West Coast, sorry.....
 

Kingdome

FOOTBALL!
most of these sports lines comparing championships are absolutely irrelevant, though.....when a school is considering a conference change, as Miller previously stated, the move is almost always made due to the sport bringing in the most revenue, and in these cases, it is almost always and forever football.

Texas has quite a few National Championship caliber programs. They are a better fit in the Pac-10. Texas is doing just fine for $, a move to another conference will be about the total package that benefits the entire university.

Texas has won Natl. titles in the last 25 years in football, baseball, women's basketball, swimming, women's tennis, women's indoor & outdoor track, & women's volleyball. Many of these sports are outdoor sports that can be hampered by cold weather, especially Texas's beloved baseball program. Being in the Big Ten as the only warm weather school would be a disadvantage. Being in the super Pac-10 would keep it with 5 other hot weather schools, 2 warm mild schools, 3 mild schools, & 3 cold ones.


Lastly, recruiting will NOT be an issue.

Name the last great Texas player from the Great Lakes region? I'll start my Pac-10 region Texas list with a Heisman Trophy winner. Texas mainly recruits in-state for recruits, but still has to fend off other programs. Playing in the cold Big Ten in a bunch of "cow towns" would be looked at as a disadvantage to playing in LA, Arizona, SF Bay area, etc.

Also, there is more talent with less competition out west for all sports. Playing in a large expansive region will benefit them a lot more than playing in a northern corner of the country. Big Ten country is dying, look at the #s. Super Pac-10 country is growing and will be significantly larger in a few decades. Texas needs to think long term.
 

Miller

Who Dey
Administrator
Kingdome....your looking at this like a FAN....and not a school president. In every category that matters to school presidents the Big 10 is a better fit. You claim that they can make the $$ the Big Ten is with the right new recruits....hate to break it to ya, but the Big 10 is doing this NOW with their current system. And it's a system that expansion will fuel due to their own Network. Bringing the Network into the Texas Markets will significantly raise that 242 million figure that is only a pipe dream for the Pac-10 as we speak.

All those other sports you mention are simply eye candy and irrelevent. The bottom team in the Big 10 bring in more football revenues than most of the (if not all) elite Basketball teams in the country, not to mention all the other sports you mention.

Presidents care about the money which is better and will be better with the Big Ten and the academics which is better with the Big Ten and being a member of the Committee for Institutional Cooperation (CIC) is a HUGE deal with the presidents and something that the Pac 10 can not not match.

The rest of this stuff makes for a nice discussion and looks all well and good, but in the end the Presidents are not fans and do not care. Those two Elephants in the room are too hard to ignore. You say Big 10 country is dying.....yet the money continues to trump anything outside of the SEC. Again, this is all that this is about.
 

Kingdome

FOOTBALL!
Kingdome....your looking at this like a FAN....and not a school president. In every category that matters to school presidents the Big 10 is a better fit.

That is not the case. I break it down above. The Big Ten region is too small geographically, not growing, & cold. From a geographic standpoint, the Pac-10 is a way better fit if you are adding A&M and CU too.

You claim that they can make the $$ the Big Ten is with the right new recruits....hate to break it to ya, but the Big 10 is doing this NOW with their current system.

The Pac-10 is finishing up with a leadership transition. Comparing our old deal to your current deal isn't a fair comparison. Just wait for our new contract to compare #s. Without Texas & Colorado, the Pac-10 region is about a third smaller than the Big Ten region (for now), so of course our package is smaller. If we add the two Texas schools & CU, we will be on par with the Big Ten region population wise, cover a more expansive region, that is growing, not dying.

You accuse me of being a homer but I think you are being one. Look beyond sports. Big Ten country isn't healthy. The states of Ohio, Illinois, Pennsylvania, & Michigan are a mess. Places like Texas, Utah, Washington, Colorado, Idaho etc. is where the growth is. In the long term, that's where the $ will be. If your argument is $, then the Pac-10 is the obvious answer if you are thinking more than the short term.


All those other sports you mention are simply eye candy and irrelevent.

Go to Austin, check out those facilities, and then tell me again that they are irrelevant.

Track & soccer complex:

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Baseball Stadium:

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(they love their baseball at Texas. I bet their program makes $. Would the fans rather watch top 10 Pac-10 teams or unranked snowball teams from the Big Ten?)


Softball Stadium:

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(want to be the best? Play the best! Pac-10 is the softball conference.)

Volleyball Gym:

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Face the facts, Big Ten is not a good fit for Texas. Being the only warm weather school in a cold weather conference will hurt them both on & off the field. Meanwhile playing Arizona State, Oregon State, USC, UCLA, Cal, Stanford, Arizona etc. in baseball each year will better prepare Texas for the College World Series. It will also help them with recruiting as California is the #1 recruiting spot for most sports. How many Longhorn Heisman Trophy winners have come from Big Ten country?

The bottom team in the Big 10 bring in more football revenues than most of the (if not all) elite Basketball teams in the country, not to mention all the other sports you mention.

Big Ten has a flashy new deal with a TV network. Pac-10 hasn't even started that process yet since we just had our first major leadership transition in over a quarter century! So again, you can't compare the #s yet.

Presidents care about the money which is better and will be better with the Big Ten and the academics which is better with the Big Ten and being a member of the Committee for Institutional Cooperation (CIC) is a HUGE deal with the presidents and something that the Pac 10 can not not match.

Big Ten country is dying. The future is in the south & west. How can those dying local govt.'s continue to lavishly fund education? At least when California goes bust there is plenty of private funds available for Cal & UCLA. You need to think about the future, not just the present.


You say Big 10 country is dying.....yet the money continues to trump anything outside of the SEC. Again, this is all that this is about.

We add Texas, Texas A&M, CU, & Utah and our deal will dwarf your deal. Look at the demographics, media markets etc. Also, the Pac-10 channel will have better content throughout the year as they are the best baseball, softball, & volleyball conference, which will help land more $.

Just because the Big Ten got an early leap in the new economics of college sports doesn't mean they will maintain their position. Just look at Detroit & the auto industry there as an example.
 

Sgt John

Sith Lord of T&A
You two make it awfully hard to decide who we should go with....

And Ill have to give him credit on one thing Miller. Baseball and Softball are HUGE deals in this state. Swimming and rowing have gotten big too. The Round Rock Express in their first season as a AA team outdrew a couple of major league teams if memory serves. Im not that big into the stuff, but Im in a small minority.

Austin is around 780,000 people and the surrounding areas push around 1.5 - 2 million. They are all sports nuts.

However....the Texas Stars (AAA hockey affilliate of the Dallas Stars) draws big time for having a small (6600) arena.

Football is and will always be the king of all Texas sports, but they are really into the others.
 

The Ram

Half Man, Half Amazing
I heard this in regards to CU Fluffaloes going to the Pac 10 and almost had to pull over I was laughing so hard. That team sucks Cam the Ram's nutsack and will suck Cam the Ram's nutsack for years to come. What possible good could adding them provide to the PAC-10?


Texas on the other had would make some sense however if the lure is to play in bigger markets I'm a bit confused. Texas is a pretty big freaking market for football and the Horns are king. As for the $$$ that makes sense for Utah but last I checked Texas could bankroll a developing nation with their athletic department budget. Could playing USC once a year (sorry King, only reason to do it) net that much more than the Red River Showdown? And CU/Utah isn't close to a rivalry and likely never will be.
 

Kingdome

FOOTBALL!
I heard this in regards to CU Fluffaloes going to the Pac 10 and almost had to pull over I was laughing so hard. That team sucks Cam the Ram's nutsack and will suck Cam the Ram's nutsack for years to come. What possible good could adding them provide to the PAC-10?

Academics, media market, & the hope they can grow their cheap ass athletic program with an influx of California recruits.


Could playing USC once a year (sorry King, only reason to do it) net that much more than the Red River Showdown?

Texas would keep their Red River Shootout if they moved to the Super Pac-10 & would only play USC every year if they play each other in the conference championship. In the above scenario, Texas plays A&M, Colorado, Arizona, UCLA, Cal, Oregon, & Washington every year. They play Utah, ASU, USC, Stanford, Oregon State, & WSU twice (home & away) every 6 years, unless of course they meet up in the Pac-10 championship game.
 

Sgt John

Sith Lord of T&A
Texas on the other had would make some sense however if the lure is to play in bigger markets I'm a bit confused. Texas is a pretty big freaking market for football and the Horns are king. As for the $$$ that makes sense for Utah but last I checked Texas could bankroll a developing nation with their athletic department budget. Could playing USC once a year (sorry King, only reason to do it) net that much more than the Red River Showdown? And CU/Utah isn't close to a rivalry and likely never will be.

We are king of our State. The problem for us is we stand to lose out if a couple of other schools leave and we get left in a sinking conference. This is very similar to the fall of the Southwest Conference.

Missouri has all put opened its legs for someone to take them. I think Colorado would run to the Pac10 if they got 1/2 a chance.

For us, we played OU for years as a non conference opponent, and both schools would simply do it again. Texas A&M could be a non conference opponent for us as well.

Our athletic department is self sustaining yes, but again, if you look at it from an academics and financial standpoint, we actually gain an even larger advantage over anyone in the area by going to one of these two super conferences.

The Southeastern Conference started this mess, and I dont blame the rest of us for trying to take a stand. I just want us to make the move that gets us the best education for the kids around here and allows us to improve in our major sports.
 
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