Another NFL player (moron) in trouble

I do not expect to ever come to the defense of a Dallas player but reading the article I could not help but wonder

1. off duty cops working at the restaurant reminds me of the guy in Cali who followed and then shot the Charger player last year...

2. What was the 2nd weapon and who did it belong to?
 
BlackFinn American Saloon

Looks like an upscale bar and grill. The Charger player shooting was not last year, it was in 2006.

The off duty officer in that incident initially contacted Foley when he observed him driving recklessly on the highway. No contact prior to that. In no way did it match this scenario.

Unlawful carry laws in Texas got really screwed up a couple years back. Basically a concealed weapon in your car is legal. Thats why he only got the deadly conduct charge for display to the valet.

He was initially arrested only on traffic warrants and his friend caught a PI charge. His car was inventoried and impounded due to the arrest of both parties and likely due to local PD policy.

The warrant was issued later by an investigator. The ownership or type of the second weapon doesnt have any thing to do with the case at hand.
 
Sgt John said:
BlackFinn American Saloon

Looks like an upscale bar and grill. The Charger player shooting was not last year, it was in 2006.

The off duty officer in that incident initially contacted Foley when he observed him driving recklessly on the highway. No contact prior to that. In no way did it match this scenario.

Unlawful carry laws in Texas got really screwed up a couple years back. Basically a concealed weapon in your car is legal. Thats why he only got the deadly conduct charge for display to the valet.

He was initially arrested only on traffic warrants and his friend caught a PI charge. His car was inventoried and impounded due to the arrest of both parties and likely due to local PD policy.

The warrant was issued later by an investigator. The ownership or type of the second weapon doesnt have any thing to do with the case at hand.
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Time flies when you're having fun. the scenarios match up in the fact that off-duty cops w/ an interest extending beyond the norm is cause for suspicion. In Cali it was his pursuit and confrontation here it is a potential conflict of interest if they were working at the restaurant.

Not knowing the rest of the story I can't comment on the other weapon but would like to know who/how it was established that it did not have anything to do with this incident.
 
He only pulled one gun on the guy. That weapon was tossed. The second weapon was in the car.

You should know better than anyone you cant just "turn it off". The guy in the Foley incident screwed up just about everyway possible, but his initial interest was a potential drunken driver. Youre telling me in your time youd not AT LEAST call the agency of jurisidiction about a drunk driver?

Im not sure where you get conflict of interest in the Anderson scenario. They were hired to work security at the bar. The staff contacted them. They were well in the scope of their duties to look into the matter.

They also didnt file the charge. An investigator did after reviewing the incident.
 
Sgt John said:
He only pulled one gun on the guy. That weapon was tossed. The second weapon was in the car.
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Did not see that in the article. It would appear you have looked into this much farther than I have.


Sgt John said:
You should know better than anyone you cant just "turn it off". The guy in the Foley incident screwed up just about everyway possible, but his initial interest was a potential drunken driver. Youre telling me in your time youd not AT LEAST call the agency of jurisidiction about a drunk driver?
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Not being able to turn it off is a far cry from what Foley did. Calling in a complaint is fine, monitoring until arrival of an on duty officer is fine, chasing someone down... is subject to being second guessed.


Sgt John said:
Im not sure where you get conflict of interest in the Anderson scenario. They were hired to work security at the bar. The staff contacted them. They were well in the scope of their duties to look into the matter. They also didnt file the charge. An investigator did after reviewing the incident.
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The conflict of interest is there was a confrontation between someone and these off duty police officers co-worker. They were working as bouncers - You telling me that you have not encountered bouncers who were quickly able to synchronize their accounts of what happened to present a unified story that was not entirely accurate? I remember a local bar where the city stopped prosecuting assault complaints involving the bouncers. When that was not enough the bouncers were charged. I'm not saying there was anything kinky but with the minimum info provided in the article that possibility definitely stood out to me as a red flag that would need additional attention.

Were the off duty officers members of the same department that investigated the complaint? I don't know the answer to that question but if they are, do you mean to tell me there is not even the appearance of a possible conflict of interest?
 
The conflict of interest is there was a confrontation between someone and these off duty police officers co-worker. They were working as bouncers - You telling me that you have not encountered bouncers who were quickly able to synchronize their accounts of what happened to present a unified story that was not entirely accurate? I remember a local bar where the city stopped prosecuting assault complaints involving the bouncers. When that was not enough the bouncers were charged. I'm not saying there was anything kinky but with the minimum info provided in the article that possibility definitely stood out to me as a red flag that would need additional attention.

Were the off duty officers members of the same department that investigated the complaint? I don't know the answer to that question but if they are, do you mean to tell me there is not even the appearance of a possible conflict of interest?
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Of course it was members of the same department. The bar is in Addison and it was Addison PD who took the call. I can tell you with absolute certainty had they called Dallas County to take the call theyd have been told where to stick it. It may work different up there but down here if its in your jurisdiction its YOUR call.

There is a big difference between a trained and certified police officer and a guy who is a "bouncer". Lets be clear on that one.

Im not, as the post stated, defending the guy who shot Foley. But you asserted by the way you wrote your post that the officer involved in that incident had prior knowledge of who Foley was or some kind of vendetta against him.
 
Sgt John said:
Of course it was members of the same department. The bar is in Addison and it was Addison PD who took the call. I can tell you with absolute certainty had they called Dallas County to take the call theyd have been told where to stick it. It may work different up there but down here if its in your jurisdiction its YOUR call.
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The bar being in the same jurisdiction as where the bouncers were also employed as police officers - I can't imagine why a bar would want to hire local police officers can you? When it comes to investigating your own it is not uncommon to turn over investigations or subsequent lawsuits over to another department. I am not saying that is the direction this will go, but reading the article that possibility definitely stood out for me - I'm surprised it did not to you. In my opinion it is not a good idea having local cops employed as bouncers at least not in their jurisdiction.


Sgt John said:
There is a big difference between a trained and certified police officer and a guy who is a "bouncer". Lets be clear on that one.
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Lets be clear - there is not always a big difference between a police officer and a bouncer.


Sgt John said:
Im not, as the post stated, defending the guy who shot Foley. But you asserted by the way you wrote your post that the officer involved in that incident had prior knowledge of who Foley was or some kind of vendetta against him.
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How did I assert he had prior knowledge or a vendetta? He crossed the line of what any reasonable person - cop or otherwise - would have done in a similar circumstance.

I'm not attempting to pick a fight w/ you. I have not claimed there was anything improper about the complaint and subsequent investigation but when you have police officers serving two masters, have one of their co-workers make a complaint that is then investigated by other co-workers it would be foolish to just brush aside the thought of possible impropriety just because you hold all law enforcement officials in such high regard. Unfortunately, not all cops are worthy of that regard. I admit I am not following this closely, I do not know the department or officers involved... I simply observed that the article pointed something out, whether intentional or not, that needs to be looked at and addressed at some point.
 
Trust me my man, I dont hold all law enforcement officials in high regard. You have absolutely no idea and Ill leave it at that.

Moving on, yes, its much less complicated under Texas law to use guys with jurisidiction. Maybe the way it rolls up there is totally different. Places here prefer off duty cops or regular security who are TCLEOSE certified for just the reasons you mentioned above with the "bouncers"

Like I said, the way you wrote the post up there seemed to assert the guy in the Foley incident knew who we was or had prior knowledge of him BEFORE he saw him driving, which is simply not the case.
 
Sgt John said:
Trust me my man, I dont hold all law enforcement officials in high regard. You have absolutely no idea and Ill leave it at that.

Moving on, yes, its much less complicated under Texas law to use guys with jurisidiction. Maybe the way it rolls up there is totally different. Places here prefer off duty cops or regular security who are TCLEOSE certified for just the reasons you mentioned above with the "bouncers"

Like I said, the way you wrote the post up there seemed to assert the guy in the Foley incident knew who we was or had prior knowledge of him BEFORE he saw him driving, which is simply not the case.
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I didn't think you would be able to overlook those that keep law enforcement from being more professional but you posted like you did.

Places prefer hiring off duty cops for more than their training.

I still don't know how you interpreted my post to mean there was prior knowledge in the Foley example.
 
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